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  • Icekill
    Apr 7, 04:44 AM
    Really interesting thread for me, as i'm a "soon to be" switcher.

    I ordered today a Macbook Pro from amazon.co.uk. They offer an 8% discount and i had also a 250€ gift coupon there, so i got it for around 1750€, 400€ less than in the Apple store. Probably will use that money saved to buy an SSD once it's more clear which ones will be fully supported and if it's worth it to buy the newer SATA ones or just go with old ones like Vertex II, etc.

    It should arrive at my home in Spain on Monday/Tuesday and i'm so excited reading all that i can about Mac OS X.

    I have been working with Msdos/Windows PCs for 20 years and in the past 5 years also with linux (mainly for work, admin web servers by command line). So i guess it's going to be an step learning curve at first, but it has me excited, not worried at all.

    I have always been curious about mac, and tired of being told all the time by friends in my same biz sector (web design/online marketing) how much their productivity increased after switching to mac. So i decided to try it myself too.

    Most if not all the software i use daily have Mac versions, so i shouldn't have issues with that (Dreamweaver, Photoshop, Firefox/Chrome, Thunderbird, Putty, Ultraedit, Filezilla, Trillian, MSOffice, ssh client).

    I also play games from time to time, but for that i'll use Bootcamp with Windows 7.

    For work i'll plug the macbook pro into my current 24" monitor, and i have also wireless Logitech mouse and keyboard, but i'm thinking about buying Mac ones to have a similar keyboard layout and fingers gestures than i will in the macbook pro.

    My main questions are:

    1) Is there any better mac software equivalent to the one i listed that i use daily?

    2) Is the mac command line a full unix one, with same commands, etc? As i said i'm used to linux command line from managing my web servers, and if i can write shell scripts in mac, it could save me good time.

    Thanks for this nice thread that was very informative about the main differences/issues i'll find when switching over to Mac.





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  • bigwig
    Oct 27, 06:08 PM
    Multimedia, I was wondering if you could address the FSB issue being discussed by a few people here, namely how more and more cores using the same FSB per chip can push only so much data through that 1333 MHZ pipe, thereby making the FSB act as a bottleneck. Any thoughts?
    I don't know if Intel ever changed it, but one of the historical reasons you couldn't make a scalable multi-cpu x86 system is that x86s did bus snooping. Once you got more than ~3-4 x86s on the same bus the bus would be saturated by snooping traffic and there would be little room for real data. I think that's why Intel is pushing multi-core so much, it's a hack to work around Intel's broken bus. The RISC cpus (MIPS et al) didn't do that, that's why all the high cpu count systems used them.





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  • manic
    Jul 12, 12:42 PM
    1. Integrated graphics [MB] vs dedicated gpu [MBP].
    2. Built in expansion card slot.
    [everyone I see seems to either have or plans to get those internet service cards through their mobile phone service providers].

    Just those 2 things make the MB and MBP sooo different, that customers walk the line ALL the time on whether or not they can "get buy" with "just" a MacBook.

    If you meant that the MB and MBP are similar in processing power ONLY, then yes. Other than that, they are VERY different.

    Plus, a lot of people want the larger 15" screen. Just as many as those that want the more mobile 13". Again, VERY big differences.

    I totally agree, dude. I think theyre entirely different beasts. I was just trying to make a point that keeping yonahs in macbooks just to make the mbp look like a sounder deal doesnt make business sense to apple and that well likely see meroms in MB still this year.





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  • Rt&Dzine
    Mar 26, 03:18 PM
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  • KnightWRX
    May 2, 05:23 PM
    The installer is marked as safe to auto-execute if "open safe files after downloading" is turned on.

    This is again just brushing over the issue. You're again not helping. I get all the rest. I even get this part. I want to know more about this part in particular though. What is "an installer" but an executable file and what prevents me from writing "an installer" that does more than just "installing". What is so special about installers that would prevent a malicious payload (without privilege escalation, unless you were to exploit a local privilege escalation bug) from auto-executing ?

    This is my point and this is what I'm trying to dissect here. This sentence of yours is the tip of the iceberg. Let's go deeper here. You keep repeating this non-sense that's everywhere on the web and that I've read and told you thousands of times that I understand.

    Installers being marked as safe really doesn't increase the likelihood of user level access as the Javascript exploit already provided user level access. I don't understand why you are hung up on this installer being able to auto-execute; it really makes no difference in terms of user level access. The attacker could have deleted your files with just the Javascript exploit.

    I don't know of any Javascript DOM manipulation that lets you have write/read access to the local filesystem. This is already sandboxed.

    Let's face it, auto-downloads are not a Javascript exploit, they're a feature used on many sites these days : "Your download will auto-start in 5 seconds, click here if it doesn't work". It's not uncommon and quite not the issue here.

    The issue is Safari is launching an executable file that sits outside the browser sandbox.

    I'm beginning to suspect you don't quite understand what is going on here. I think it's not my technical knowledge that is at issue here, it's your understanding of my point. Again, stop replying to me if all you want to do is discuss the tip of the iceberg covered by the press. I don't care about that, I read that, it raises more questions for me than it answers.





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    Aug 17, 07:30 AM
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  • MacRumors
    Apr 12, 10:11 PM
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  • Peace
    Sep 12, 04:48 PM
    who thinks it will be 802.11g or will it be 802.11n?

    will that mean that all new macs Q1 07 also come with 802.11n as well?

    or will the streaming from a 802.11g mac to the iTV just be crap?

    if that's the case what will everyone with a current mac do, dongle it?

    Steve should have been more explicit about the 802.11 or at least assured us that 802.11g macs will stream to it just fine.

    Does anyone know if 802.11g can handle streaming video at that resolution?

    I'd be willing to bet the new iMacs and Mac Pros will only need a firmware update.





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  • mcarnes
    Oct 25, 10:39 PM
    8. Pfft. I'm holding out for 64 cores.





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  • ~Shard~
    Oct 31, 08:42 PM
    No kidding. :rolleyes: All I want is to compress video faster than I can with the 4-core Mac Pro - that's IT. So if it won't do that, I'll just have a cow and go to bed for six months. :eek:

    Haha, sounds like a good plan! ;) :)





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  • FightTheFuture
    Feb 17, 01:20 AM
    No one seems to notice this. i don't agree with much of your post, but i agree with the sentiment. i'm tiring of the Google = Good, Apple = Evil heard around the boards.

    they are both companies that are just trying to make money. sadly, people paint Apple as the bad guy either because 1) the iPod was extremely successful or 2) they assumed apple would eventually go bankrupt 10 years ago and are upset that it didn't happen. luckily Gen Y'ers who don't care about what computers run facebook the best are buying products based on what they want, and not which processor is in it.

    will there be more android phones than iPhones in the world? probably. but right now there are more blackberrys, more symbian based phones being sold. the iPhone is selling just fine. just because there are a lot of great phones on the market doesn't mean apple will sell less than 8 million iPhones a quarter.





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  • danpass
    Mar 18, 01:47 PM
    If I was tethering I would already know and I already pay for the full data plan thankyouverymuch.


    Its not the price that bothers me ......... its the nickel and diming.




    Grandfather plan: unlimited but no tethering

    Now tethering is available but now its limited.

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  • slu
    Oct 7, 02:55 PM
    Of course Android might surpass the iPhone. The iPhone is limited to 1 device whereas the Android is spanned over many more devices and will continue to branch out.




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  • D4F
    Apr 28, 09:19 AM
    Tablets like the iPad, Xoom, G-Slate, heck, even smartphones like the iPhone, Droid, Incredible, etc.. are all lower case "pc"s. As in, they are computers that are personal. They aren't upper case PCs, as in IBM PC compatible.

    Servers based on Intel architecture processors like the C7000 chassis blades are not lower case "pc"s, as in, they aren't personal computer systems. They are servers (also why are we talking about servers here ? Is there even any evidence Catalyst is including those in HP's and Dell's numbers ? I doubt they are...). They are however (again, the Intel variant) upper case PCs, as in IBM PC compatible .

    PC (Personal Computer) is an architecture defined in the 80s by IBM. pc is a personal computer. Learn the difference boys and girls.

    Should the Tablet sales be included in charts like these ? I don't think so, this is just a very pro Apple analyst group trying to make it look like Apple is having more success in a segment they have usually lagged a bit in (though in which they are still showing quite the growth and beating expectations without the iPad).


    The hardware components in a server go through much more testing for reliability. They are meant to work 24/7.

    Pretty much what you get is same stuff with better components/materials and etc. Does BMW differ any from FORD? Not really but in general what's believed they use better stuff.

    Same thing with PCs. Server it's just a nice window for companies like Dell to put a higher $$ tag on it. What consumer gets is better warranty and USUALLY less power simply to prevent overheating issues that arise from long term continous usage.

    I use server chips in my home PC for that exact reason. They are no different but "should" last longer and that is why I spend extra $$ on them.

    Just a term.

    *nice article that points few differences between a xeon and a Core 2 Quad.
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  • acearchie
    Apr 13, 05:14 AM
    Some of those questions actually were answered (for example that full keyboard control has been retained) and others are more or less no-brainers (like the stabilization question - you can enable/disable and even fine-tune that even in the dumbed-down iMovie, so why shouldn't you be able to do that in Final Cut).

    Does that mean that all the features will be retained then since if I can currently operate a tool from my keyboard in FCP7 then surely that same tool will be available in FCPX.

    On a side note Lethal wanted to know whether the keyboard was programmable not if it was the same layout.

    Full keynote has been uploaded to YouTube -
    Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VLwsfBa71U
    2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfgnyRSRyzg
    3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3OI3RGdhrM
    4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M16Hb4_3oOY

    Hmmm could have been positioned better personally but it�s better than nothing!





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  • bigchief
    May 5, 12:01 PM
    I've been with AT&T for many years and I can not remember the last time I had a dropped call. If I started having dropped calls I would change carriers.





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  • superslashers
    Jun 22, 12:03 PM
    What is it with AT&T and dropped calls? They are starting to make people REALLY MAD I think AT&T has to step there game or people are going to go to T-Mobile lol they will just have to unlock there iPhones!





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  • macfan881
    Nov 5, 09:58 PM
    http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/11/05/iphone-vs-droid-multitouch-keyboard-showdown-video/1#c22887995

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  • rasmasyean
    Apr 23, 03:16 AM
    sorry but you are wrong ... we do not tell soldiers they are fighting for God or that there is anything such as being a martyr

    nice try though :rolleyes:

    And that's why its so hard for "Atheists" to "come out" in the military, eh? Look past the surface and the exact words (heaven, prayers, freedom, hero...use whatever words you want) and the concept is still the same. Even the CIA told the Afghans during the cold war that they will "go to god" if they die fighting the Russians. It's funny when you see some white dude surrounded by turbaned ppl saying this in those old videos. Believe what you want but in a sense, we do "brainwash" our troops. And to good effect, because it makes them do their job willingly and better. And it gives them comfort when they know they will die taking a bullet for oil.





    Multimedia
    Sep 28, 04:40 PM
    Is there any advantage or disadvantage (other than future expandability) to getting to 4GB of memory by using 8x512MB versus using 4x1GB?Aparently the answer is "technically yes". See below. I did not know that. But from what they say and a practical point of view the answer is still no.





    Macky-Mac
    Mar 26, 08:56 PM
    We will ride out this storm just as we rode out the last, the one before that etc

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    bokdol
    May 2, 01:57 PM
    i just cleaned out of the the computers at work. and the person had the installer window still open. they pressed ok but because they had 10 other windows open they really did not realize they authorized it to install.

    it is not that they did not authorize it's that their computer had soo much stuff on they did not realize they authorized it.





    miketcool
    Oct 7, 04:22 PM
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    We currently have Donut. Eclair is coming, followed by many others. I will always take a nice pastry over an apple any day of the week. :D





    Silentwave
    Jul 12, 07:44 PM
    Yes they are. I agree with you. But when I wrote that earlier in this thread, someone wrote that economies of scale dictated that Woody goes in everything Pro rather than only in the Quad. Makes no sense to me either. I think all non-quads should be Conroe.

    Why?
    it means:
    different LB (not such a big deal, but still there- and wouldn't it be nice if they could (i dont know if its possible) use a dual socket LB even with single processor versions, and you could add a second one later for more performance? farfetched for sure but hey a guy can dream ;) )
    Different CPUs
    Different RAM
    slower FSB

    Why do that when you could buy larger amounts of the same RAM and same processors, just use different numbers? I think we all know that XServe will use Woodcrest, but the more computers that use the same processors the better.
    Same goes for the RAM. FB-DIMM memory is expensive. the more Apple can get, the easier it is on us.


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